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Dustin

Another blog post...another game that makes me think that I'll never make it in reffing. I don't make these kinds of mistakes, coaches are almost always happy with my performances as are other referees. I will still never make it to FIFA because I'm not incompetent; I apparently have to be.


Dustin: I sense your frustration, but you are shooting at the wrong target. The referee in the England/Mexico game was not incompetent. He was inexperienced in the ways of professional players, as were the people who allowed him to advance as far as he has. What you have to do to advance is as follows:
1. Find knowledgeable, experienced referees as guides or mentors. 2. Make sure they have had professional experience. 3. See if you can find the highest level games to referee. 4. Don't assume that a youth coach can evaluate your potential as a referee. 5. Maintain a very high level of physical fitness. 6. Those five points are a start, and don't imagine that you don't make these kind of mistakes. (Look back at my posts on hubris!)
Best wishes,
Bob.

Ed Bellion

I commented in the "foolish assessor" blog about positioning and how errors would be made by always staying out at free kicks and corners. I did not expect that so soon after there would be a game that again so well illustrates the point. In the England Mexico match, there were several problems with Crouch's goal, all of which could have spotted from a close-in position by the referee.

[A photograph of the goal, taken from behind the net, is now posted on the original post in the blog. I haven't been able to figure out how to put it here in the comments section - RE}

First Crouch was clearly offside; I have no idea why the AR did not observe this, this is very poor work on his behalf at the least and sheer incompetence at this level at the worst. However a referee who was closer to the goal line (remember this play started from left-wing corner) could have easily seen the offside for himself.
Second, Crouch bundled the ball in using, in part, his arm as well as his torso. Now it is certainly debatable whether this should be ruled as a handball and the goal disallowed or not. Some claim that it was unintentional and the ball simply fell onto his arm. Others say he guided it in with his arm, even though the arm was close to the body. Nevertheless, in this case no decision could be given at all not least because the referee was 30 yards away. If he had taken up a more close in position, by the goal line he would have had a much better view of both incidents and made his own decision. At the very least, he could have
got the offside one.
I fully expect that there will be a few more like this in the next few weeks in South Africa!

Ed Bellion

This response is for Dustin:
Your comments are very immature. You are implying that to get to be a FIFA referee you have to be incompetent. This is both insulting and ignorant. Do you think people like Bob, myself, Collina, Howard Webb, Brian Hall and many others got on the FIFA list because we were incompetent?
Bob is very patient with you in his responses. I will be less so. You need to grow up. It is probably true that you will never make FIFA, very few do, but not because you are not incompetent, it will be because you are too arrogant and too cocky. We have seen many guys like you over the years who are young and think they don't make mistakes. Most get their just desserts one way or the other. There are some very recent examples of this.
Perhaps one day either Bob or myself will get the pleasure of assessing you in a competitive match. Then you will get a realistic view of your abilities.

Dustin

I've thought about it and you're right Ed. I won't comment anymore.

Richard Marnhout

It takes a man to admit he's wrong, Dustin. You SHOULD read and make comments here, but try to remember who else reads Bob's blog.
In other words, don't bait the bears unless you have a lot of guns.

Richard Marnhout

goonareferee

Bob, thanks for all your years of service I lived and went to school in Dallas and had the opportunity of working with you a few times. You were helpful then, and you are still a huge help to people now. so thanks.

I note your message to get closer but I note the most recent- instructions refs are getting are to following the quadrant system and basically stay out of the penalty area. Never to go to the end line for balls played in situations free kicks corners and stay inside the edges of the penalty area. the main reason I am told is ref's exposure at transition. My personal belief is (at the most senior levels of the game) that there is no less inappropriate activity going on, on the soccer pitch than when balls are being played into the attacking central area of goal at set play incidents and the level and degree of holding happening prior to whistle being blown is completely out of order. what are your thoughts on these numerous issues please

goonareferee

Ok maybe I should read before I write having now read Mr. Bellion's points in the previous blog referenced. But I am beginning to perceive a problem. That being we become so mechanical at what we "require" referees to do that those in control miss the point that their job is to fairly and judiciously officiate a game of football wherein the players become extremely aware of referee positions to their advantage. i would argue having a series of positions available to referees, first choice second choice, based upon what they are perceiving in a match is much more important than telling a chap he must go to one particular spot or be marked down for it.

our goal should be to be in position to see the fouls or to prevent them (maybe even more important, by our presence being a deterrent to unlawful activity)

and maybe this is where referee training could learn a bit from the training that is now being given to coaches about player development. that we must not stifle creativity but guide it. what do you chaps think?

Ed Bellion

Yes of course. It must be flexible depending on the situation and reading of it. No two set plays are alike, so why should the position be the same each time? We have been hammering away at this point for some time, in the classroom, at the field and in this blog, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. The main concern is being too deep to recover in case of a fast breakaway, but we have negated that idea as not a high probability.
The action now is more important than the action that "may" happen next.

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